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For the past few weeks, I have been explaining how to repair a broken window pane in your home. But, what if you have dual pane windows? Is the process the same? Well, pretty much, except for a couple of variations. So, let's review the single pane repair process, and I will point out the differences regarding dual pane windows.

When we start talking about dual pane windows, one of the first things that comes to mind is vinyl window frames instead of aluminum. When dealing with dual pane windows, you can have either aluminum or vinyl frames, depending on the year the house was built. Dual pane glass got popular in the 1980's, but vinyl frames didn't really catch on until the 1990's. So, if your house is less than 10 years old, chances are you have vinyl framed windows. In either case, I will discuss the differences. Let's say you have a sliding aluminum frame window with dual pane glass. The procedure for removing the frame from the opening and the glass from the sash is the same as with the single pane windows. The differences are, first, the glass goes into the frame about twice as far as the single pane window. The single pane window glass went 1/4" into the surrounding rubber. The dual pane usually goes 1/2" into the rubber. So, if both pieces of glass have been broken, you are going to have to order a new IGU (Insulated Glass Unit) from the local glass shop. They are going to want to know the width, height, overall thickness, and possibly the individual glass thickness. The best way to get the dimensions is to measure the width and height from rubber to rubber, write those numbers down. Then, remove the panel from the opening and place it on a table like we did with the single pane window. Remove the screws from opposite corners and pull of the frame. You will be able to see how far the glass goes into the surrounding rubber. If it's 1/2", then you want to add 1" to the width and height that you measured previously (1/2" times two sides= 1"). Then, measure the overall thickness of the unit by removing the rubber from the glass edge. Typically, this dimension is 1/2", but not always. There is a metal spacer that divides the two panes of glass. Make a note of the color so you can request the same color in the new IGU. It's either going to be silver or bronze. If you want to get the same size spacer, you need to give the glass shop the thickness of each piece of glass in the IGU. If the old unit has 1/8" glass on both sides, and the overall thickness of the unit is 1/2", then they will use a 1/4" spacer. If the glass is 3/32" on both sides, they will use a 5/16" spacer. If you don't care about matching the spacer thickness, you can request the thicker 1/8" glass, and they will automatically use a 1/4" spacer.

When you get the new IGU home, the installation is the same as the single pane window. Now, what if only one side of the IGU has been broken? Many times the outer pane will break, but the inside pane is fine. You can order a whole new IGU like we just did, or, if you're the adventurous type, you can order only the single pane of glass that was broken and replace it. I'm going to explain how to do it, then i'm going to tell you the things that can go wrong. After you have the window pane on the table with the surrounding frame removed, you will see a black rubber type substance around the edge where the spacer is applied. This is a butyl sealant, and you have to separate the broken glass from this butyl. The best way to do it is to take a utility knife with a new blade and break through the butyl where it meets the broken glass. Then, take a new hacksaw blade, and push it into the area where you sparated the butyl from the glass. You don't want the hacksaw blade to be attached to a hacksaw. Using your hand, saw back and forth as you work your way around the edge of the glass. This should allow you to remove the glass. Once that's done, lay rags on top of the good piece of glass to catch any debris, and scrape the surface of the spacer that will be contacting the new glass. Use a putty knife. Then, remove the rags and debris. When you are ready to put the new glass on, clean the inside of the good piece of glass that you didn't remove. Remember, once you install the new glass, any debris or finger marks on the inside will be permanently sealed. So, clean it real good and check it from all angles. Do the same to the side of the new glass that will be going to the inside of the IGU. Then, run a thin bead of clear silicone around the entire perimeter of the spacer. Set your new glass on the spacer and use finger pressure to adhere the glass to the silicone all the way around.Then, come in from the side, and run silicone around the side where the glass and spacer meet. Cover the window opening with something for 24 hours. You do not want to touch the IGU for 24 hours. The silicone needs to cure. After 24 hours, you can assemble the unit and install it back into the opening.

There are a couple of things that can go wrong. The first one is leaving marks on the inside portion of the glass. Once you seal the glass, you cannot clean what's between the panes. The other thing involves condensation between the panes. If you have even the slightest break in the silicone seal around the glass, chances are you will begin to see moisture form as soon as the nights get cold and the days get warm. You are going to have to decide if you are confident enough in your ability to do the job right, or if it's better to pay the extra money to have it done for you. Just because you pay someone to do it, doesn't mean you still won't encounter the same problems. The difference is, they have to guarantee their IGU for a minimum of 1 year. I have received many units over the years that had marks in between the glass. The beauty of it is the manufacturer can't dispute it, because there's no way anyone else could have done it except them.

OK, what if the window frames are vinyl instead of aluminum? Well, the main difference is the glass in a vinyl window no longer has the rubber gasket around the edge. You don't remove the opposite corner screws and separate the frame from the glass. What they do is put either silicone or a two sided tape on the lip of the frame where the glass rests. That's what holds the glass in the frame, then they apply a snap in stop on all four sides of the glass. So, you have to remove the stops first, then turn over the panel and break the seal holding the glass to the frame using a utility knife. Wear gloves during this procedure. If only one side of the IGU is broken, don't even think about repairing just the one side. You will never get that IGU out of the frame without breaking the other piece of glass in the process. But, on the positive side, you can remove the stops without taking the panel out if it's a slider. You can then measure the dimensions of the glass, and order the new IGU. That way you eliminate any need to temporarily cover up your window. The same is true for the stationary portion of a slider, or a picture window. Before you install the new IGU, be sure and clean the lip that had the tape or silicone, and apply either silicone or tape. Either will work.

You will discover that replacing an IGU in an aluminum frame window is a whole lot easier than a vinyl window. But, in either case, you can do it yourself and save a few bucks.

John Rocco has been installing
replacement windows since 1978.
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» left by Michael Hamm from Sanger, Tx (4 years 197 days ago.)
We bought a log home at auction a year ago, 4/27/04, with dual pane windows
( installed in 1987 ) that are functional but the seals have been leaking and between the panes needs cleaning desperately. I can not find any number on these aluminum fram
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» left by Edie Kasper from Asheville, NC - USA (3 years 104 days ago.)
Reader Rating: 5 out of 5
The article is excellently written and its detailed ecplanations are very helpful.
However, as a 71 yaer old woman I am not as daring anymore to take on
such repair tasks as I was 20 years ago. How and/or where can I find a professional or handyman who does the pane replacement job for me? My
vinyl frame double pane windows (installed about 15 years ago accumulate now water vapor and dust between the two panes.
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» left by johnr from Idaho (3 years 104 days ago.)
Edie, look in the phone book under "glass-Auto,Plate, Window", and get 3 estimates.
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» left by James Blanchard (3 years 75 days ago.)
Reader Rating: 4 out of 5
Can you or anyone recommend a company that can remove the gas/water vapor that inevitably build up inside double-pane windows. This service would be so much easier than repalcing the dual-pane glass. Thanks!
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» left by Johnr from Idaho (3 years 75 days ago.)
James, there is a company in Nashville, Tennessee called crystal clear window works. They sell franchises to glass and window companies that want to do IG Fog repair. If you can contact them, they would be able to tell you if there is a company in your area that does that kind of work. I don't have an address or phone number though. This process has only been around since 2003, and only in the U.S since last year, so it's really new.
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» left by thomas from Alabama (1 hour 9 minutes ago.)
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CCWW in Nashville is not answering their phone numbers that are on the CCWW Int'l website. Limited dealerships still listing, there as well.

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» left by joey hartman (2 years 126 days ago.)
i recently broke a double pane window ,i only broke thru the out side glass is their any way of replacing the one piece of glass or am i going to have to replace the whole window the house is one of my customers it is probably 5 yrs old probably vinyl framed
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» left by Anonymous (2 years 86 days ago.)
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I want to remove an unbroken igu from a vinyl window to put in an old front door. I have the width of a ledge in the door that I need to fit the window and replace the stops. So, my questions are:1) how do I get the glass out without breaking it? I don't care if I destroy the vinyl frame... but I don't want to break the igu. and 2), can I just use glaziers compound and install it, basically the same way as a single pane.
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» left by Marco from Rockville, MD (2 years 62 days ago.)
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Marco
Facing a problem with broken window glass (dual pane-vinyl frame) was a long story and a challenge, however reading this article gave a much better idea of what do I need to do, name of tools to be used, etc. For this first time I won't be able to do it myself, but if next time I have a problem like this I will tray do my best.
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» left by Mike from ft walton bch. fl (1 year 219 days ago.)
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John, Where is the best place for me to purchase dual pain window glass for my house. I have about 15 windows I would like to replace and I live in florida, Thanks Mike S
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» left by johnr (1 year 219 days ago.)
Mike, a local glass shop can make the I.G. Units for you. You will need to take the measurements, then call them for pricing.
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» left by Bobby Dempsey from Florida (1 year 157 days ago.)
Reader Rating: 3.5 out of 5
Yes it was very helpful. However, I am about to make dual pane out of single pane. I am thinking of 1. Turning my AC on before sealing to lower household humidity, or 2. wait until winter when the air is dry here in Florida. Bobby D

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» left by Anonymous (1 year 125 days ago.)
Reader Rating: 4.5 out of 5
Great article, just what I was looking for.

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» left by Camille from Montana (1 year 121 days ago.)
My double pain windows have the newer white cross patern in them and I am wondering if you can remove it.

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» left by john1r from Idaho (1 year 121 days ago.)
If you plan on having a glass shop provide a replacement IGU, It will come with new grids between the glass panes. If you are going to try and just remove the grids from between the glass, you have to take off one of the glass panes, remove the grids, then install the glass pane. Chances are the pane that you remove will break, and you will need to get a new piece of glass.

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» left by Bill from Pennsylvania (1 year 111 days ago.)
Reader Rating: 4 out of 5
Great article. However, what if the window frame is wood? Are the any tips on opening up the frame? If Vinyl has strips and Aluminum has screws, what does the wood frame have?

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» left by Anonymous (1 year 77 days ago.)
On my wood-framed thermal windows, the IGU is held in from the outside by a vinyl molding.  This molding goes between the IGU and wood frame and has a continous barb that locks into a groove in the wood frame.  You have to push this molding away from the wood (to release the barb from the groove in the wood) and pry it away from the frame at the same time.  This process is made harder by the clear, non-hardening glue used to seal the glass to the wood frame.  I did one window recently and the first half took 3 hours to get out of the frame, but the second half took only 3 minutes.  Hope this helps!   

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» left by Dak from Maryland (1 year 100 days ago.)
I am looking to replace my vinyl dual pane windows (hopefully keep the frame and replace just the glass) with stronger glass or plexan to prevent them from breaking from golf balls. Do you recommend any solution?

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» left by Anonymous (1 year 77 days ago.)
A glass shop can remove the glass from the frame and replace it with a new dual pane glass unit that has lexan or plexiglass on the outside pane.

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» left by dave w. from durango, co (1 year ago.)
I am replacing single pane glass from a large, custom woodframe, circa 1950's, with six panels. I have new IGU's, and plan to just set them on thin rubber blocks (to allow expansion/contraction) and silicone them in. THey will be held in place by new wood trim, 1/4 round or similar. That's how the originals were done as well. A) do I need to silicone both the IGU on the woodframe, and the wood trim to the wood frame and the glass? Or only the latter? and B) am I missing anything else?
 
Thanks so much.

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» left by Dave W from Manhattan, KS (305 days 18 hours ago.)
I visited a hardware/window store that sold Andersen, Marvin, Larsen and a few other brands. Very knowledgeable help that clued me in to the fact that these new fiberglass and aluminum clad wood windows are not really designed to have the IGU (integral glass unit) replaced separate from the sash. If the seal or glass breaks, you replace the whole sash (glass with window frame). I was shocked. This would probably double or triple the cost of repair and require me to find an exact duplicate of the window when that happens. He told me I would probably send in the entire sash to make sure the replacement was exact (with a hole in my house in the meantime). I'll be buying new high quality storm windows for my existing single pane windows instead. Even with the expense of repairing my existing windows, I'll come out ahead now and in the future.
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» left by Curt from Gibraltar, Michigan (261 days 21 hours ago.)
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Message for John Rocco:
 
I have a lot of fog between the panes of glass in my windows, thus indicating a broken seal.
 
Is there a special gas (Argon) that is installed between the panes of glass? If so, how can I install the gas?

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» left by Anonymous (261 days 18 hours ago.)
If your windows have the LowE glass, they most likely had argon gas as well. However, you do not have to have the gas included in the replacement glass.

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» left by chris (175 days 4 hours ago.)
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johnr,

I have a lot of windows in a 25 year old home. The seal is broken on about 8 out of 26 of them. Appoximately how much can be saved by replacing one glass in a double pane aluminum window vs. buying a new IGU doing it yourself? How much savings if you have a pro replace one pane? Is it better just to replace than try to repair? Is it hard to match the old IGU's? I want to save money, but I want years of problem free energy efficient windows more.

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» left by johnmr12 from Idaho (175 days 2 hours ago.)
Chris, if you want to avoid problems, have the IGU made by a company. If you do the installation yourself you will save some money. I do not recommend trying to fix the IGu that is bad. Just get a new one. If you aren't comfortable replacing them, get an estimate from a glass shop to do it.

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