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Illegal Immigration: Pros & Cons

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This is a challenging subject to write about because first and foremost, it involves individuals and families. Young and old alike. It also involves differences in cultures and behavior.  It also involves right and wrong, legal and illegal issues. When writing about illegal immigration, I think it's important not to lose sight that we're dealing with people who, for various reasons, have risked putting themselves in legal jeopardy. Many of them have risked their lives in order to live the American dream.  

I believe that my own legal immigrant background qualifies me to write about this topic.   In the last few years, illegal immigration continues to be a controversial issue.  Basically, it's a matter of millions of people entering, staying and working in the country without official permission.  It's also a matter of people who initially enter the country legally and end up r overstaying or violating the terms of their visas.  It's a problem where the weight of supply and demand usually bypasses the rule of law. Employers need lower cost workers and illegal workers are willing to work for lower wages.

Illegal immigrants are primarily people from Mexico, Central and South America.    Statistics from the Pew Hispanic Center show that 56% of illegal immigrants in the U.S. come primarily from Mexico in order to supply laborers to thousands of U.S. employers.
 

The first group of illegal immigrants enters the United States to enjoy a better economic life. Most of them are fleeing economic oppression, unemployment and poverty.  The second group   consists of visa holding tourists, students and highly skilled workers who, by choice, become illegal residents or "out of status."  Similar to their undocumented counterparts, these visa holders also want a better life and grater opportunities.  

Despite our socio-economic challenges, the United States still offers more opportunities to poor people from other countries.  It's a fact that people want to come here one way or another.  Whether entry is legal or illegal, it doesn't matter to them.  Entering illegally is their only way to get in.   Immigration laws require strict qualifications and adherence to pre-established quotas.  To illegal immigrants, the benefits far outweigh the risks so they take their chances.   If the tables were turned, wouldn't you do the same?  

Most illegal immigrants are good human beings worthy of compassion and acceptance.  From their point of view, a visa is just a stamp on a piece of paper which can be ignored in exchange for a better life.  Obviously, that's the wrong way to look at the laws of the land. You can imagine what kind of chaos we would be in if everyone embraced the same philosophy and behavior. 

Living in the U.S. is a privilege and not a right and I believe that it's perfectly alright to lawfully enjoy America's opportunities and freedoms.  After all, we are all human beings seeking the things that make life a pleasant experience.  Most people tend to agree that the pursuit of happiness should not be attained by illicit means. That's what keeps our society judicially balanced, prosperous and strong. Additionally, simply crossing the border or overstaying a visa doesn't automatically make a person an "immigrant."  

The lack of balance between legality and human compassion causes heated debates over the illegal immigration issue.  For example, compassion towards one group of people automatically creates injustice towards another group that is playing by the rules, trying to qualify for visas and waiting in line.   Illegal immigration poses a conflict between tolerance and the law.

Since border security and employment verification systems are substantially inadequate, illegal immigrants should not bear the brunt of blame for the current situation. If the door is left open, they come in.

The general public and politicians continue to be divided and concerned about the consequences of massive illegal settlements in the country.   Illegal immigration is not a victimless offense. It comes with both positive and negative consequences to society.  

Many Americans don't seem to object to people working illegally in the country. Others do not fully understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration and that, in reality, legal immigration is doing just fine. What's not fine is "illegal" immigration. Even the media frequently makes no distinction between the two types of immigration, bundling everything up into one package and calling everyone "immigrants."   Legal immigrants who are playing by the rules and go on to become U.S. citizens are not the issue.  There are no protests coming from   legal immigrant populations.  

Pros of Illegal immigration - according to some groups

1. It helps keep the economy moving by filling low-wage jobs.

2. It provides a better life to individuals and families who enter the country illegally.

3. It creates a pool of consumers for a variety of goods and services.

4. Farmers are able to plant and harvest less expensively.

5. Contributions to social security funds often go unclaimed.

6. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes.

7. Illegal residents, who are property owners, also pay real estate taxes.

8. Millions of illegals rent properties in depressed areas where renters are hard to find.

9. They purchase real estate and generate commissions for agents and brokers.

10. Illegal immigrants benefit financial services through consumer loans.

11. They open bank accounts that yield interest and dividends to bankers.

12.  Illegals purchase auto insurance and contribute to profit margins.

 

Cons of Illegal immigration - according to anti-unlawful immigration groups

1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.

2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.

3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't.

4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders.

5. Those that successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same.

6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages.

7. No government reimbursement to offset states illegal alien maintenance costs.

8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens.

9. Millions of U.S. dollars sent outside the country.

10.  Paper Fraud.

11. Fake document mills.

12. Imbalance in immigration quotas.

13. Interstate human trafficking.

14. Population health risks due to unverified pre-entry immunizations.

15. Increase in road traffic and usage, injurious or fatal accidents.

16. Congestion of tax-based public parks and recreation.

17. Overcrowding and financial burdens on public schools.

18. Continued law-breaking rationalization for those who employ illegals.

19. Growing number of uninsured illegal aliens who can't pay for claims.

20. Monopolization of Spanish language in various segments of society.

21.  Unbalanced ethnic diversity.

We are experiencing very difficult economic times.  People from other countries are feeling the pains and pressures caused by unemployment, homelessness, poverty, hopelessness, lack of education, low-paying jobs, stress and hunger. But if you look around, so are the rest of us.  Millions of Americans go hungry every day.  Shelters are overcrowded. Unemployment benefits are ending. Millions of people are jobless. Foreclosures are on the rise and health care costs are sky high.   Millions of people have no health insurance.

 Studies shows that, every day, over 1 million children in America have no place to call home and many are hungry and exposed to drugs and violence. Shouldn't these come first?  Shouldn't the money that goes to pay for those who enter the country illegally be allocated to the homeless, the victims of abuse, schools, hospitals, the unemployed and the hungry?  The answer to these questions depends largely on who you ask.  Many people think that money, entitlements and rights should go to everyone, regardless of legal status. In practice, that's exactly what's been going on for over two decades now. Doesn't that tell you that we are generous nation?

The notion that it's OK to break the law as long as one's reasons are for a good cause is flawed. You can't take someone's car because you need transportation to go to work! Going to work is noble. Taking someone's car without permission to get there isn't. Immigrating to America legally, easily or not, is praiseworthy. Yet, breaking and entering is not. Having a social security number is a right reserved for those protected by the laws of the land. Using someone else's social security number to work is not acceptable.   

Some claim it's too costly to protect our borders.  Yet, it's not hard to release $3 Billion dollars for cash for clunkers!" program!  What would $3 Billion do towards better border security? As you can see, it's all a matter of priorities.  It's not fair to blame illegal immigrants alone.   Employers have also created the right conditions and demand for undocumented, illegal workers.  

Who else is contributing to the illegal immigration problem?  

Basically, it's anyone who stands to profit or benefit from it.  This is sad because illegal immigrants are often taken advantage of and aren't usually willing to come forward to protest abuse in the workplace or file lawsuits. Illegal immigrants risk a lot to enter and remain in the country.  In fact, scores have been beaten, killed or left for dead, often by their own compatriots.  Many have perished when vans and trucks over capacity have crashed while in transit across state lines.  

What's going on from the employer's point of view?

1.       Lower payroll costs.

2.       Illegal immigrant employees are the least likely to be litigious when wronged at work.

3.       Abundance of workers.

4.       Illegals work and don't complain for fear of losing their jobs.

5.       Illegals do work hard.

6.       Higher profit margins and competitive advantage.

7.       Illegal immigrants tend to be motivated and productive.

8.       Less legal liabilities.

9.       Employers aren't held responsible (yet) for verifying immigration status and right to work.

10.   Fake work documents do not currently affect non-government employers.

11.   All cash transactions to avoid income taxation.

12.   Underbid others who hire residents and pay better wages.

13.   Avoid unions and labor laws.

14.   Wages don't have to be commensurate with experience or market values.

15.   Inadequate or non-existent health care benefits.

As you can see, the practice of hiring illegals is a good deal for many employers and that's why they keep doing it.  

There is so much money involved in illegal immigration that it makes it difficult too pass new laws or enforce  current ones.    Remember the amnesty in 1986?  The amnesty was supposed to solve the illegal immigration problem. Instead, it caused more people to come in illegally in the hopes for yet another amnesty program in the future.

Illegal entry into the United States to work has been allowed to become a complex issue but I don't think that it is an unsolvable problem. In my personal view, we would be off to a good start if the Government imposed hefty fines on employers who use illegal labor and required them to use the e-Verify system.  

Economic Costs

1.       $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.

2.       $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

3.       $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4.       $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary care of the descendants of Columbus. As far as Mexico is concerned, we won the Mexican War and purchased the territories for $15 Million Dollars. It's over. The land has been ours for a long time now. The argument that this land is theirs is flawed at best. Previous homeowners cannot claim ownership of a house they sold years in the past.

It's all about money for those who come in and it's all about money for those who exploit them.  The U.S. is giving jobs to them, welfare, free education, legal aid, insurance and medical coverage, public housing, rentals, homes, cars, the ability to open their own businesses, credit cards, vouchers, parks, recreation, land, entertainment, food, etc.   Since we're  generously providing all of the above, often at tax payers' expense, it tells me that  the problem lies with those who take without being entitled and a country that gives without any restrictions or good controls.

Is illegal immigration wrong? Sure it is. That's why it is called illegal. It implies a violation of law(s).  Is there a solution?  Sure!  The U.S. should improve influx controls, removal management and entry restrictions. We won't stop illegal immigration as long as it's still relatively easy to enter the country without permission.  

9 out of 10 times, people will take advantage of freebies. It's human nature. Unfortunately there is still a misconception floating out there that the United States is the land of the "free for the taking" or that "freedom" means no visas, no passports and no obedience to the laws of land.    Countries have sovereignty, borders, laws and immigration controls for a reason.  Otherwise things would turns into chaos.  Freedom is now erroneously equated with "take what you can because you can!"  I think that's the wrong idea.

Conclusion

Finally, it's important to note that we're not dealing with just numbers but actual people with hopes and dreams, despite the illegalities. 100 years from now, none of us will care about anyone's legal status anyway. That is not to say that illegal activity should be encouraged, continue, ignored or condoned in our present time. It also doesn't mean that we shouldn't think about laying solid and ethical foundations in order to preserve and protect America's future.  Is America is a place where only those who qualify are able to enjoy it? Or, is it a place where anyone can come in regardless of legal status?  Is America a scholarship or a shelter?   The answer depends on what side of the "fence" you're on.

The debate continues.


Copyright © 2007-2008. Mario Garibaldi writes about different topics of interest. Mario has been devoting time writing three upcoming novels, namely: "Return of the Immovables", "Dust In Deep Sea" and "Only The Blind Can See".  Reprint rights granted as long as you leave both article and links intact or if there is a large cash deposit from you into his bank account. If you see this article on other sites with proper credits, it's OK.



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» left by James from New York (69 days 17 hours ago.)
Reader Rating: 3 out of 5
I have recently been forced to work for less, or not work at all, because the contractors I do work for are hiring illegal aliens for less. They are also saving money by not paying workers comp. premiums or social security, etc. It is illegal to hire workers without having workers compensation coverage in New York state. However, many contractors in the construction industry are doing this anyway. Why not? They are hiring illegal aliens-illegally-so they might as well break the comp laws as well. I have to pay thousands of dollars in income taxes to work here, illegal aliens do not. This frustrates me. I would like to see them pay the same taxes as I do, and I would like to see the contractors pay the comp on them as other contractors do on their legal workers. Everyone wants to save a buck, but lets keep it fair. If mexicans want fair wages, they should prove themselves worthy, pay their "dues", and contribute like the rest of us. I have no problem working alongside mexicans, but they need to make the same contributions to our society as we do if they truly want to be a part of it. If they don't, they will be turned in and sent 'home', I know of a few instances where this has happened already and with the economy the way it is, it's going to happen a lot more.

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» left by Ellen Martinez from Texas (20 days 2 hours ago.)
Even those who do not have a work visa pay taxes I know this because I worked for a poultry plant and everyone who worked there paid taxes. It makes no difference if they have a fake ssn they still pay tax out of every pay check. Please don't think that they don't pay because everyone pays the tax. And they pay all the same sales taxes we pay they just don't get the paper from the ss office like we do. Even mexican who have a work visa work for less because they are trying to give their family a better tomarrow. My husband is doing this here with my children and I. But we also have a home in Mexico. I can go there to get seen by a doctor and get blood work done for far less then it cost here. I go to the doctor for free there I go for a check up and I only go here when I can't get down there. Here we don't have anything to help those who don't have medical insurence. And down there even me being an american I get my medications when I can go for them. This shows what this country is doing. Not everything can be solved by puting the blame and not everything can be solved by shipping everyone to the country of birth. Think about that because 90% of people born here came from people who came from somewhere else. I am native american and white but look up where your family came from and then see if that is where you would like to be.

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» left by Megan from Florida (67 days 12 hours ago.)
Reader Rating: 2.5 out of 5
I believe this article has the perfect perspective on this issue. Not only does it give the advantage to both sides of the issue, but he also puts his own input into the article. Not only was the article helpful, but some of the comments people left were also helpful. I will make sure to inlcude some of those comments in my paper I am writing about the issue when I speak of how people handle the issue immaturely....ESPECIALLY some of the hispanic people that left comments. Just because this issue is directed towards Mexicans mainly doesn't mean that the Americans sit around their dinner table talking about how horrible they think all of the Hispanics are. Because, children, in the grown up world, we really don't. If we hated the Mexican immigration, there wouldn't be a "pro" list to the issue, as there so clearly is in this article.
 
To the one person who left a comment that believes you don't need a SSN to get a job, go to college, etc, you are SEVERELY MISTAKEN. Have you ever applied for a job? Or a better question, did you go to college? You need an SSN to do EVERYTHING in this country, short of wiping your a$$. The ONLY tax that illegal immigrants pay are sales tax. So allllllll the taxes that are taken out of your paycheck every month, help those people live here illegally. If you are totally ok with people stealing your money, you are completely alone in this country. What the hell is so hard about getting a green card?! There are MILLIONS of immigrants in this country that have green cards, that work here, that pay income taxes. Those are the immigrants that deserve to participate in our health care programs, our schools, and who deserve to live here and have a better life.
 
"Mexican's aren't the only people who commit crimes in America."
 
Yes they are. It doesn't seem like that because they don't get caught. Sure, they want to come here and live free, but they have no idea what our rules are, they don't speak our language, and they don't understand how the system works.
 
The only reason an illegal immigrant will take the risks to live here illegally and not get a green card is because they are too damn lazy to learn.
 
Some people who left comments on this article have no reason to even open their mouths. They have not done research on this topic like others have and the only thing they are going on is the fact that they know a mexican.
 
You people need to get your facts straight and open your eyes to the real world. It's kill or be killed in this world and you have the right to protect the future of yourself, your home, and your children. This is OUR country. WE have helped it become what it is today. Yes, we took the land from Native Americans HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. Get over it.

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» left by Anonymous (37 days 20 hours ago.)
many thing that you have at this moment are things that immigrants have done for you such as crops and clothes, even houses and many other things... just like americans have a right to be here and have a good career by going to school and having a good future, so do hispanics and any other immigrant in the u.s... and if you think that ONLY mexican do crimes in the u.s well check the lists of f.b.i's most most wanted and i can asure you that theres less mexicans on that list than americans...

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» left by Ellen Martinez from Texas (20 days 1 hour ago.)
Yes white people did take our land and came here just like the mexicans. But the whites did worse they stole from the native americans and they also tried to kill us off with illnesses we had no idea about. The english used any race they could to do the work. So shut UP please get some history on who did what work and then come back. I am native american and white on both sides of my family and I have 4 children who are mexican and native americans and white. So Please get a grip and quit hating. My husband knows engilsh and he started out just like anyone. I learned spanish because I wanted to learn it. What is the difference there are many mexicans who are learning english so talk about something you know about. Because this is a topic you know nothing about!!!!!And you need to see that this is still the country of the native americans even though whites tried to kill us off but we are still strong and growing!!!! And I am paying for my college education in cash and loans which I have to pay back so come on please give me something more to say to you. I can't stand it when people try to act like they are better then everyone. Please stop hating it's not nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH and one more thing,there are not many ways for a mexican to get a green card please look up what the application cost and you say they live here for free but they don't they pay rent and food, lights, water, insurance, and even a car note so please where do they live for free? Another thing if you look at how they live in mexico you would see that it is cheaper to live in mexico. My house in mexico I pay 15 or 20 dollars for lights and 4 dollars a month for water. So how can you say they live for free. You need to educate your self on what is real and what is lies made up by people like you!!  

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» left by Mac from Cheese (11 days 21 hours ago.)
How can you say to people "Get your facts straight and open your eyes to the real world" when you have yet to do the same? Here is a good quote for you to ponder:
 
"How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." ~Luke 6:42
 
I suggest you start now.

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» left by Chester from of Michigan (10 days 21 hours ago.)
This is a hugely complex and controversial issue. First of all, Megan of Florida, some Americans are hugely opposed to Mexican Illegal Immigration. It is true that we pay for their expenses sometimes, but for the most part, all they come here for is a better life. The situation here in America is terrible; the economy is in ruins. And yet thousands of Mexicans wish to come here, and are still crossing to America, even in our hard economic times. What does that say about the state Mexico is in now?
 
Megan of Florida, have you ever been to Mexico? Do you know any Mexican Immigrants? Do you know any crazy Hispanics who are willing to risk death, torture, money, and family; willing to cross a huge desert under adverse conditions, willing to walk for miles and miles and days and days, just to jeopardize your safety, and to cause criminal problems here in America? Well, I don't. And I don't know anybody who does either. And no, Megan of Florida, you are wrong (With all due respect) Mexican's are not the only people who commit crimes in America. I hate to have to inform you that just last night a caucasion person was caught in a robbery.
 
Another thing: Immigrants are not too lazy to learn how to speak our language and get a green card. For your information, these things are actually very hard, and there are very few opportunities to get ahead like that if you do not speak English and do not have substantial amounts of money. Also, would you really call somebody willing to work 60 hours a week, doing a back-breaking, monotonous job, for minimal pay, lazy? Most of the human population would classify that as very hard-working indeed.
 
So, this is for you, Megan of Florida. The people in America are IMMIGRANTS. They came here for a BETTER LIFE, and they worked just as hard as the Mexicans who are coming here now. Is it right to turn them away, just because ignorant people have already established themselves in this "kill of be killed" world? The answer, I think, is obvious; for anybody willing to open their eyes to God's creation and compassion.

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» left by Anonymous (10 days 10 hours ago.)
Hey buddy a lot of what u said was not right as u blamed the wrong people in what u were saying. Also the way u are saying it is that we should just open up the borders so that anyone who wants to come over can. THAT IS STUPID. That would be an absolute diaster. Also ur point about how we pay for them somtimes, but they came here for a better life, is not a counter arguement.

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» left by ♥ from ♥ (10 days 9 hours ago.)
YEAH U DO NEED TO OPEN UR EYEBALLS NOT JUST UR EYE LIDS
 
IF THAT IS TRUE THAN U DONT EVEN HAVE THAT RIGHT OT OPEN YOUR MOUTH ON THIS SUBJECT "MEGAN FROM FLORIDA" YOU DONT NEED TO KNOW A MEXICAN TO KNOW ABOUT THE LIFE OF A ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT
 
YOULL NEVER KNOW ABOUT THIS UNTILL YOU PLACE YOUR SELF IN THIRE SHOES
 
YOU SHOULD TRY IT !!!!!!!!

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» left by Al from Chicago (64 days 8 hours ago.)
Reader Rating: 4.5 out of 5
I have been in this country illegally for over 6 years. During that time, I operated a construction company and hired many legal immigrants and American citizens. I'm now getting my second university degrees having 4.0 GPA!!!, paid thousands in taxes, and never got a single dollar from any scholarship or any kind of benefit from this country because I wasn't eligible as an illegal immigrant. I cannot legally drive a car in some states having my international driver's licence but I do pay monthly more for a car payment than some people for mortgage. Do I consider myself as a burden to Amrican society? No! I consider American society as a burden to the world because they replenish natural resources of the world faster then the rest of the world altogether and I just can't stand people saying what is good and bad and how great America is... people from a country that would perhaps never achieve what it has achieved if not for tens of thousands Afro-Americans whom you treated as you treated over the years and now claim how beautiful and rightful Americans are. I am sorry for speaking in general because there are many rightenous Americans who did not forget that their grandfather or greatgrandmother quite possibly came to the US illegally, too, hundred or so years ago.

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» left by Ari from Gutierrez (38 days 16 hours ago.)
You sound like a great guy Al, but unfortunately you're 1 in 100k that follow the guidelines. Yes you're right Al, many of our ancestors came here illegally, but you said it, it was hundreds of years ago, this is what's wrong with this agument. Today, is just too crowded and is time to close to borders and pressure the governments from those 3rd world countries to stop stealing from their citizens and work on developing their countries.

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» left by Anonymous (26 days 22 hours ago.)
Most Illeagal immigrants are okay and don't break any rules, but the reason we are trying so hard to block the border is to stop mare gangs, drugs, and guns from getting here.

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» left by Anonymous (20 days 1 hour ago.)
Yes, thank you Al you are so right!!!!!!! I am native american and many think that we get our education for free but I am paying it just as you are. I am so glad I seen your post!!!

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» left by Ema from Colorado (23 days 22 hours ago.)
Reader Rating: 5 out of 5
And I forgot to say not all Mexicanos are the same. I am not ashamed of who I am and I plan to make something of myself. I'll make up for my father's burden on the U.S.

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» left by Anonymous (20 days ago.)
Ema, Does your Dad work if he does and he uses a fake ssn, he is not a burden because in fact he is paying taxes. I know that he's not on food stamps because he don't have any papers so they would send you a letter excluding him. Not only that Baby there are many of us who are paying taxas and who don't think of him as a burned even if you do. Please don't feel that way that is just people hating. I am native american and I am married to a man who when he came to this country he was in fact a illegual and he is in transit to getting his papers because I had to get that done because I like to go to mexico and I wanted him to go with me. We live here most of the time. But we spend time with his family in mexico too.

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» left by Anonymous (23 days 11 hours ago.)
There needs to be a distinction between these so called "Illegal" Immigrants and "Legal" Immigrants.
 
When explorers first arrived they were guests in a uncrowded land just passing through; occasionally attempting to stomp on the "weaker" societies they came across (some successful but most unsuccessful). Since then America has been harboring "Refugees" until the process of calssifying incoming immigrants became a process.

Now the process is taking up time and dollars. Instead of harboring these "Refugees" looking for a free handout they shuold be sent back, but if they come here as "Immigrants" like 99% of the populace did (1% is native, like me) then they shuold be allowed to be taxed, work, and pursue the rights under the consittution. If they are a drain on the economy their refugees, just like they are around the world, but if they are producing and making progress.. well their just like 99% of the populace and their ancestors.. hard working immigrants.

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» left by Mac from Cheese (10 days 21 hours ago.)
Agreed. Besides having some spelling error.................you are right about the distinction between "Legal" and "Illegal". Most people just lump them together and say that they are both wrong, when there is nothing wrong at all with "Legal" immigration. I do not support Illegal immigration and believe that mexicains should first better their own economy than come over to the united states. Some people have posted really stupid things like by saying that Mexicains are responsible for all crimes in the US and they shouldn't come to the US at all because they are "too **** lazy to learn" and "Some people who left comments on this article have no reason to even open their mouths. They have not done research on this topic like others have and the only thing they are going on is the fact that they know a mexican." ~Megan of Florida
 
Though I believe Illegal Immigration is wrong, some people are just stupid, misinformed, and sad.

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» left by Ellen Martinez from Texas (20 days 1 hour ago.)
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You know I have read through the post and with a few I agree. I also see that there are many people who posted who are very ugly people. Hating people is never a good thing. I have traveled to many states here in the US and I have also traveled to Mexico and I can say that yes Mexico has their problems just as the US has problems. But as a native american I am ashame of this country and the amount of hate that people have for other races. I am married to a mexican and I love this man. My children have been tought not to hate other races just becuse they are different. You know the truth is that most of the Hispanic people here all pay taxes wheather they have papers or not. Yes I know that they work with a ssn that isn't theirs and this is the way they are paying income tax and ssn tax they also pay state taxes where a state tax is needed like in Ga and in Co. Texas don't have a state tax but they pay other taxes like all those above and they pay sales taxes. The difference is that they don't get any of it back at the end of the year. So a bigger question is what does the goverment do with that money?  I can understand where some people come from on some issues. But think about this everyone, what would you do if you were forced to go to where ever your family came from? Because in all truth what if the land that was part of mexico was theirs again how would people take this. And if those who have no native american blood in them and they are from another race with nothing to do with native american how would you do in another country? And would that be fare? How can people hate so much? If you look at all races we all have red blood and if we cut our hand it will bleed red. So just because we are white, brown, and black why hate on those who are differnt from who we are. There must be respect no matter where we come from.  It's not the mexican and not the white and not the black that make this country, it is all of us who make this country. And we need to understand and give people the oppritunity to get their papers. It is easier for some one from any where then mexico to fix a visa mexico is the hardest place to be from and get a visa for work. Thank to the US government. But in time I hope that the people will help make this a point to make it a bit easier for a mexican to get papers. I feel really sad that people can hate. We must look at the fact that yes there are mexican gangs but there are many gangs that are blacks and whites and all these gangs are only about hate. And what we need to change is to stop the hate. I think that is the first step in any one persons thinking. This article is a great sourse to get both sides of the issue and is a great way to exspress what we feel, even though we don't all agree. We just have to stop the hate and start the kindness so that the madness will stop and people will go back to being loving and caring. I hope that there are those who will agree!!

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» left by tasusaki from half.com, oregon (11 days 18 hours ago.)
i am immigrant from japan. i was illegal and was deported back to japan. few years later i came as a legal immigrant. illegal immigrants should come here as legal immigrants so they dont worry about being deported.

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» left by Anonymous (8 days 19 hours ago.)
yea this asian dude is right. jus coming here as a legal immigrant would solve everything.

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» left by Stephanie from Pennslyvania (18 days 23 hours ago.)
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i am doing a project on illegal immigration. And i just want people to know i am mexican but i was born here. I really think immigrats should have the right to be here and have some rights(at least some rights) dont be selfish.......

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» left by . from . (12 days 18 hours ago.)
They don't have any right to be here if they're not LEGAL.

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» left by Chris from Austin (11 days 20 hours ago.)
The Process of becoming a legal citizen is not an easy one. I'm assuming you were born into your legal status as an american but for somebody from another country its not always so simple. If you indeed were born here, I would be interested in seeing if you could pass the test that these hard working people are given.

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» left by Mac from Cheese (10 days 21 hours ago.)
yes, but what about the people who already passed the test? Worked hard to learn the english language at an early age? Went to college and got an education? They're already legal, but how is it fair that other people can just waltz into the country illegally and live in the United States? Don't automatically assume that people are only American if they were born here. ". from ." is correct in saying that they have no right to be here if they are not legal. If they have trouble in Mexico and don't have the time to be "legal", improve your life over there.

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» left by MIMI (10 days 9 hours ago.)
aRE U WILLING TO GET ON YOUR KNEES AND DO all that hard job illegal imigrants are willing to do ?I DONT THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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» left by Mac from Cheese (23 hours 12 minutes ago.)
Yeah? Well, Legal immigrants can take those jobs too. Over-populating just for people to take jobs like garbage man doesn't make any sense. Legal immigration is good. ILlegal immigration is bad. Quit being in denial, already.

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» left by Charlie Bucket from Wonka Land (13 hours 23 minutes ago.)
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I definately agree Mac from Cheese. I know several people who are desperate enough for jobs that they would "get on their knees" to do all the hard jobs to support their families and they are here legally and have families to support as well. I suggest you keep you anger in check mimi and look around you and not JUST at the trials you go through, but the trials faced by all the people currently living in the US as well.

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» left by Anonymous (18 days 13 hours ago.)
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The fact of this matter is that these people are here ILLEGALY. When a U.S. citizen breaks the law, he or she has to pay for their actions, why should anybody else get special treatment just because they have it rough at home? I could tell you first hand that my life has been just as rough as anybody else's, that doesn't make it right to break the law.

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» left by scooby<3 (16 days 8 hours ago.)
I totally agree!!! Why should ANYONE get special treatment...especially if they're breaking the law and they're from a different country!!!!

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» left by Nick (17 days 5 hours ago.)
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i agree with your article, it would help if you cited your sources though

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» left by mollyluv from CA (16 days 8 hours ago.)
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This article was a good way to see the other side of illegal immigration, and although I dont agree with some of the pros it definitely helped me with my homework!

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» left by Laura from new jersey (15 days 10 hours ago.)
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omg shut up!!! immigrants contribute greatly to the growth of industrial america.They make the united states an ethnically rich nation.
i bet your ancestors were immigrants as well so think before you write.
United states is the country of immigrants legal or not. we are all immigrants, and we all deserve an opportunity to a better future. they dont do anything about illegals because they need US! you are an ignorant.

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» left by Charlie Bucket from Wonka Land (11 days 21 hours ago.)
people to often over look the ILLEGAL part because they have big hearts for those at a disadvantage. It is horrible that people suffer so much in mexico, and that they feel they have no other place to go except here. In the minds of some people "illegal" immigration shouldn't exist. American is one gigantic "melting pot" and most of us were born in this grand country because somewhere down the gene pool, someone from our ancestry Immigrated to this country. HOWEVER, Many cultures come here and they do not want to assimilate. In fact, in some cases I think it's exactly the opposite. They want America to change for them and their language and culture. They won't learn English. They want to fly the Mexican flag above the United States flag. They're only here for the goodies and whatever they can send back to Mexico. At least that's the way I see it.

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» left by Charlie Bucket from Wonka Land (13 hours 21 minutes ago.)
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PS, saying shut up to someone then yacking about stuff is typically hypocritical and stupid..

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» left by Mac from Cheese (9 hours 41 minutes ago.)
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Maybe if YOU thought before you wrote, we would get somewhere. Your argument has no support whatsoever. YOU are the ignorant one. How can you say that immigrants can come to the US regardless if they are legal or not?! Here, I will dumb it down for you:
 
 
~You own a house. You are proud of that new house of yours. You leave your door open. Burglars come in. Those burglars are the same people who built your house. They steal your possessions. They come back for more. They bring more of their burglar-builder friends. And what do you do? You let them in, doors wide open. Who benefits? You? Think about it.~
 
This story applies to Illegal Immigration.  But it also applies to Legal immigration.  Here is the legal immigration story with a happy ending:
 
 
~You own a house.  You are proud of that new house of yours.  You are friends with your new neighbors, and you invite them over for tea and cookies every Tuesday.  You remember to lock your door at night so burglar-builders won't come and steal the gifts your neighbors generously gave you.  You are content.~
 
Sure, the US needs immigrants.  But why not LEGAL immigrants?  You, like many others, need to learn to differentiate from the two and "omg shut up!!!"

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» left by Anonymous (13 days 7 hours ago.)
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All i have to say is that all of you people are wrong. First this is for commenting on the article not about argueing with anyone else that is on here. And it was a great article and i want to thank this guy for writing it cause it has helped me alot. Also most of the posts on here focus on one side, the side they think is right and rea way to stuborn. There are a lot of good points on here that people need to acknowledge. Instead everyone has been making generalizations. It is true that it is illegal for them to be here and they should pay, it is the LAW. But the fact that it is hard to get into the country needs to be accounted for as well. There are some reasons for that though. As pointed out our country is getting crowded, and so we can not just take in as many immigrants as we want. So the flow needs to be limited. As for what they so to society, it goes both ways. Many do supply cheap labor bringing costs down. That does take away from the amount of jobs available for legal americans. Also, although some people do pay for bein gin this country a any one would be ignorant to say that many illegals are not skipping out on many payments that others have to pay for. As for us all being immigrants that is true. But although i sympathize for native americans, that card should not really be pulled. First it was during a time where the strong conquer the weak, Europeans won obviously. okay got it done with it. Also MAny Natives have been payed for it, NOT ALL, don't bitch about that. The questoin is whether the native americans this far down the line should still be given special treament after so many years. And although an idealist might say everyone has an opputunity to a better future, it is sadly just that, an ideal. it is not realistic although it seems cruel. there are many other people out there that won't get the oppurtunity. What really needs to happen is rich countries need to help poor sountries. Since when does fleeing from a problem make it better. There is a famous saying-give a man and fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for a life time. We need to teach and hel countries improve, not let the citizens come here. By make the other countries better everyone life improves(generally) that is a much better outcome. Obviously there are other points but people need to get both sides lol even the people that said that did notaddress both sides, i tried to the best of my abilities.

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» left by Kalen from Indiana (11 days 18 hours ago.)
Alright this settles it all.. So everyone in the U.S. immigrated here two centuries ago. In the 1800's when the land was considered "owned by the Natives Americans" it was their land and they welcomed us to their land and they didnt have any requirements of who came to their land. They had no laws stating you can't migrate here so that pretty much stated the land was up for grabs. So more and more people immigrated to the U.S. in hopes of wealth and freedom. So we ended up taking the land from the Native Americans. But we are the ones to actually stated the rules of immigration to the U.S. and set up the borders. We made it apparent that we owned the land when we defeated England in the Revolutionary War. We then looked to expand across the U.S. to unknown lands. We then came across Mexicans who said they owned Texas and whatever. So Texas was up for grabs so we went to war with Mexico for control of Texas. We won of course. That was when we set up the U.S. Mexican border and AGREED with Mexico which land was ours and which land was theirs. WE could've taken all the land but we decided to let them keep some of it. We actually set up the borders and requirments of what we expected of immigrants that came to our land. It's the Native Americans and Mexicans fault for not setting up these expectations and they might actually still own the land today if they had. If we hadn't of taken the land in the first place, then it wouldnt be what it is today and no one would want to come here. We made America what it is today. So we should decide who comes to our land. It isnt as hard as you think to become a legal citizen. Just put forth the effort and study. If the tests are too hard to pass then you should blame the people who came here illegally because we had to higher the expectations of legal immigrants due to over-population. Thank-You.

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» left by Charlie Bucket from Wonka Land (13 hours 17 minutes ago.)
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hmmm.. when people years ago came hear and started decreasing the quality of life for the native americans because they wanted a better life, the native americans were at first warmly receptive, but later as they were neglected and thrust aside became rightfully angry and defiant. perhaps they were actually justified? or do you think it right that the new immigrants practiacally killed off the buffalo/resources of the native americans? You may have a point, however your arguments are flawed.

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» left by Mac from Cheese (9 hours 53 minutes ago.)
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nicely said, Charlie Bucket of Wonka Land. You, Kalen of Indiana, however, like everyone else here (save a few) are lumping LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants in the same blob. There is nothing wrong with legal immigration, but something IS wrong with illegal immigration. We have rules and regulations about how many people we let into the US each year. People say that the test is too difficult and that it costs too much money to come to America Illegally.  Why do you think that is?  We have to support ourselves too, you know.  Everything costs money.  Food, shelter, education, health care....you name it.  If more people come into the US, where is that money going to come from?  The government.  And what happens when the government pays too much money?  It plunges into national debt.  And after that?  Our economy crashes.  And then?  Think about it.  Illegal immigration is like adding pennies on top of a soggy paper towel.  The more you add, the more stress the paper towel's material is getting, and eventually that paper towel is going to tear, spilling the pennies down the drain.  With legal immigration, it is a delicate equation that must be equal on both sides, like a balanced scale.  If one side increases, the other side must increase as well. 
Kalen, your argument is indeed flawed, and I suggest you take a stand on one issue rather than try to combine everything into a multiflavored lollipop of cheap nonsense.  Which does not settle it all whatsoever.

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» left by CINDY from Texas (10 days 20 hours ago.)
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I think that millions of people dont really know how hard it is for the people that come here to live the american dream. hispanic people dont come just to live free, im hispanic From MEXICO and i'm happy for that, some of the haters that hate the immigrants, they do it because they dont know how they live in mexico how they suffer to live day by day. Also it is not easy to get the GREEN CARD how you all think, it can take years and a lot of money and if you dont have the money to get a lawyer you have to do it yourself, and you have to wait years. i was illegal the first time when i came here after that we went back to mexico, and apply for our residence card*green card* we got it after several years and then after 5 years i became a citizen of the united states. we dont come here to take anyones jobs or anything like that we just come here to find some better for our families. THe hispanic people are not the only ones that commit crimes there is lot more delinquents from other cultures but just like any of us there is people that make mistakes or the circunstances make them to commit those mistakes, it is not our turn to judge, That is GODS JOB not yours. Because in front of his eyes we all look the same. and he is not going to judge if we are legal or illegal. to him we are the same not making diference on color or race.

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» left by Anonymous (5 days 12 hours ago.)
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Amen brother My family immigrated to the united states when  i was three years old and friends have critisied me on the job i will have in my future. whith legal or illegal immigrants you can say goodbye to fresh produce because who do you think picks the fruit. say goodbye to buildings because who do you think builds them. say goodbye to clean schools because who do you think cleans them. to me things are like the times when the united states had slaves only difference is that they get paid 6 dollars an hour. it was only because of the slave trade that we have african americans  are born in the USA thus making them citizens of the USA. It was only because of the emancipation proclamation that african americans stayed in the USA as free people. immagine if at the time the US took people from mexico and made them slaves the african american population would be the hispanics.

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» left by Anonymous (3 days 4 hours ago.)
11 to 22 BILLION spent on welfare for illigal immigrants. Doubtful. Also, that is a big gap. Also the 2.2 and 2.5 and 12 billion, is that part of the 11 to 22 BILLION? If yes you mentioned it twice and made it seem like more, if not it should be 11 to 38.7 BILLION. WOW!! ON illegal immigrants. 11 to 22 (or possibly 38.7) BILLION of federal and/or state/local money. One of us should check their math.

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» left by Anonymous (3 days 4 hours ago.)
Cons of Illegal immigration - according to anti-unlawful immigration groups
 
1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.
 
(If they were legal, they would have to pay taxes)
 
2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.
 
(True of all citizens)
 
3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't.
 
(If you immigrated legally, you should thank the Lord for his help)
 
4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders.
 
(See how much they want citizenship?)
 
5. Those that successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same.
 
(Human Nature. Ask the Puritans)
 
6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages.
 
(Isnt that helpful for businesses?)
 
7. No government reimbursement to offset states illegal alien maintenance costs.
 
(Again, would'nt be an issue if they were legal)
 
8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens.
 
(They're here now. Not many people complained prior to 2008)
 
9. Millions of U.S. dollars sent outside the country.
 
(Doesn't that help the dollar?)
 
10. Paper Fraud.
 
(Wouldnt be an issue if they were legal)
 
11. Fake document mills.
 
(Same as above. So is my anwer)
 
12. Imbalance in immigration quotas.
 
(Too many Mexicans for your taste?)
 
13. Interstate human trafficking.
 
(That is why we need reform)
 
14. Population health risks due to unverified pre-entry immunizations.
 
(Having them come illegally doesnt help this either)
 
15. Increase in road traffic and usage, injurious or fatal accidents.
 
(All people should be encouraged to drive safely)
 
16. Congestion of tax-based public parks and recreation.
 
(New citizens = new tax base = new park)
 
17. Overcrowding and financial burdens on public schools.
 
(new citizens = new tax base = new school)
 
18. Continued law-breaking rationalization for those who employ illegals.
 
(That is why reform is needed)
 
19. Growing number of uninsured illegal aliens who can't pay for claims.
 
(Handle it the same way as whites who cant pay for claims)
 
20. Monopolization of Spanish language in various segments of society.
 
(??????????)
 
21. Unbalanced ethnic diversity
 
(Dont worry, youll still be the majority)

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» left by What's my opinion!!!!! (10 hours 22 minutes ago.)
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where did you get this information?

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